Lineup
Mckeown
East
Pearson
Gowling
Robertson
Arnold
Dis
Robinson
Monkhouse
Ampnd
Bogle


Strong squad - missing clay though...?

hearn failes a fitness test for lincoln

Perhaps there is another reason we don't know about as to Clay's absence ?

Illness, injury, said something out of turn. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

no hearn, blessing in disguise?

C,Mon the Mariners!

Arguably the strongest starting line up and bench this season. If this side can't beat Lincoln we have problems

Good response to the minutes silence

We sound like we're on fire, get at em the goal will come! Great atmosphere from the Town faithful.

Come on town, let's get the breakthrough

UTM

Tranmere losing 1.0

We are well on top here, let's get a goal Town.

Need to make the early pressure count!

Sounds a good match!! Utm!!!

Jovian Vidal scores for wrexham

Quoted from forza ivano

Jovian Vidal scores for wrexham

Sounds like a sci-fi character.

Fateful words from Cockers
"Easy win for Grimsby here"
Lincoln are nothing"
Hope they're not fatal words

Quoted from forza ivano

Jovian Vidal scores for wrexham

Vidal... so soon?!

What the?

Ffs gowling

Gowling off and a penalty... FFS!  :(

intercourse sake !

What happened?

That's us all over isn't it, shoot ourselves in the foot.

UTM

We have shot ourselves in the foot! In this game and with a 3 game ban.

And they score... :(

FFS. Totally in control of this game and we've messed this up.  What is wrong with football players !!!!!  Bloody idiot.  Bossing it.  Jesus wept.  Lincoln have offered absolutely nothing and we're one nil down to a Sunday League player.

FFS!!!! we haven't took our chances  :-/and now we are behind with 10 men. :-/

Listening to the Radio Lincs commentary..."Grimsby should be 2-0 up" after 30 mins. Yeah right, we al know what that means.
These decisions are not levelling out.

Come on Town, plenty of time to get control back...

I flipping hate them inbreds

Transfer list the male masturbator

Transfer out best defender...hmmm....(best this season anyway)

Should've been 2-0 up against this pub team.  We've outplayed them for 35 mins and absolutely copulated it up.  Now the crowds behind them.  It's all about game management.  Did anyone see what Gowling did?  Did he lash out?  Time and time again we shoot ourselves in the foot.  

Quoted from RoboCod

Listening to the Radio Lincs commentary..."Grimsby should be 2-0 up" after 30 mins. Yeah right, we al know what that means.
These decisions are not levelling out.

I'm listening too Robo, it's bloody hard mate because they (commentators) are so blinkered aren't  they?

why do we let these sunday league plodders always always rattle us
jeez gowling
completley dominate, look the better side, miss chances and oh yes one nil down with 10 men
Come on Town!!

Let's hope the fans there let us know if it was a genuine foul or misconduct - sounds like the players were incensed at the ref missing something from the Lincoln player first ???

Seems like this ref likes his red cards...

http://www.soccerbase.com/referees/referee.sd?referee_id=1470&season_id=144

It's gonna take an almighty swipe to deck that lump Rhead. Look up Lincolns pre-season games onwards, lots of penalties, Barnet MKII.

Rankine scores a second for alty. Scunts n Ull both winning. Another Shiitey day in life of a gy fan :-/

In 3 of Lincolns games tgey had penalties and played against 10 men.  Lets hope we work harder with 10.

Quoted from cmackenzie4

I'm listening too Robo, it's bloody hard mate because they are so blinkered aren't  they?

The guy Tommo is ok, even he sounds despairing of Hortons laughable attempt at balanced commentary.

We have a ref who seems to like sending people off, probably best not to do anything stupid!!
I went to Kiddy and they were crap, never looked like scoring but we presented them with gifts as well

A goals coming from Town, I can feel it in my bones!  ;)

Andy cook scores for barrow. Stoke down to 9 men after half a hour

How we lining up now then after the change?

4-3-2?

Or has Monkhouse gone in the middle with Dis and Bogle or Amond dropping in on one of the flanks?

We could pre script Town games. Well on top, don't score, then let the other team get ahead from something stupid. It's a perpetuating nightmare.

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

Seems like this ref likes his red cards...

http://www.soccerbase.com/referees/referee.sd?referee_id=1470&season_id=144

Oh no please! This isn't going to be yet another 'it was all the rubbish ref's fault' excuse I hope

No one is to blame for the sending off and (hopefully not) defeat but that idiot Gowling

We could be ten points behind tonight and it's still only August  :-/

Not good enough

Might have been a different story if Bogle had been given the pen decision in the first few mins?

Def Red and Def Pen I'm afraid. Didn't see what fatty did, but Gowling sort of pushed him to the floor. Rhead has totally suckered us and is prancing around grinning  and goading the fans. However Gowling has to show some bloody sense there.

Are you at the game Ipswin? I'm not so will reserve any character assassination until I have fact to deal with.

Mind you don't let that stop you, you boring negative twit (I've based that opinion in fact ;-) )

*on

Its going to be a tough season
no one is going to give us anything
more than ever we are going to have to earn every point
we have to keep supporting and believing and knowing our form and luck will turn
they say cream comes to the top
inc second half we have 40 - 1/2  games left to sort this out
Come on Town!

Maybe they should have a separate league for missed chances..................We would be TOP by F@@king miles !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Was it a penalty followed by Gowling pushing Rhead or did the push lead to the penalty?

Gowling pushed him whilst the ball was the other side of the box.

It's so annoying that we've are not converting chances.  In all the games we've played this season we've created enough chances to be 2-0 up within 30 minutes.  The only small crumbs of comfort is that we are creating chances.  Being the eternal optimistic - well you have to be being a Town fan - I hope it will click and we starting burying these poorer teams.  

It should've been drilled into the Town players thick pea brain heads beforehand what to expect against such basic teams.  It's really not difficult: the only way cloggers will win games is by gamesmanship, winding players-up and scruffy set plays.  

You need to be 100% professional for 90 minutes never mind what the provocation.

Then he reserves a big fine for being such an idiot!!! :B

Quoted from gtfc82

Was it a penalty followed by Gowling pushing Rhead or did the push lead to the penalty?

The latter sadly so not only did Gowling get himself sent off but he gave away the penalty as well

Bournemouth 1-0 could be up to 8th in Prem, still that golden goal only seems like yesterday...

Quoted from Ipswin

Oh no please! This isn't going to be yet another 'it was all the rubbish ref's fault' excuse I hope

No one is to blame for the sending off and (hopefully not) defeat but that idiot Gowling

I just mentioned that this ref seems to like giving out red cards....there are some who do and some who don't.

Take Wembley and the Bristol Rovers keeper for example...

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

Take Wembley and the Bristol Rovers keeper for example...

FFS you're not still on about that...

Quoted from Ipswin

FFS you're not still on about that...

Why not Swin? It was only 5-6 games back   ;)

C,Mon Town lets get an early goal now.

Quoted from cmackenzie4

C,Mon Town lets get an early goal now.

Let's hope so Chris

Town fans are right behind the team and Lincoln don't sound as if they've capitalised on being in the lead and us being a man down so all it takes is just one second for us to score

UTM

Town fans in fine voice.

Sparrow on. Will they bring Bush on as well?

Pearson is a rock! Sounds like he his playing excellent.

Hopefully that tubby lump of lard will stay upfront for Lincoln as long as possible, because he'll become even more statuesque.

Town fans sound absolutely superb.

Quoted from Trawler

Town fans sound absolutely superb.

Always do! UTM

1-1 Bogle

Just arrived back from Northern Ireland



Get the fudgery in

Yes, get in

UTM

flipping get in bogle

Get in!!!

Yesssssssssssss!!! Get in!!!!

OMARRRRR!!!!!!!!!!

We're Grimsby Town FC
The Black & White Army

:) :) :) :) :)

YES! Go on Bogle! Destroy the illegitimates!! ♪♫ Omar, Omar Omar, Omar Omar Bogle! ♪♫ (100)

Get in you beauty.  flipping Keystone Cops at the back between those meat head Lincoln centre backs.  Omar has not done a lot, but pick that out of the net.  

Come on lads, I want to hear another Town goal before I have to go to work in 10 mins! :)

That's a great time to score. Back in this, we still sound the better team with 10 men.

singing fcuk the GIMPS and the IRA du du du....

10 men + best fans!!!...could still take this!

Quoted from MarinerGaz

10 men + best fans!!!...could still take this!

10 men and the 12th man you mean!  :)

I was about to post that teams that don't take their chances when on top, don't usually prosper.

we've only got 10 men

This commentator sounds like he's sitting on a cactus

We have sounded, aside from something freaky happening again for 5 seconds in our box, very much on top of this.

Ten men, one down, half hour gone, away from home; if we could grab a win here that really *is* the stuff of champions...

Cmon Town!

Yes!

Quoted from cmackenzie4

Yes

How are those bones Chris? Is there another one coming for us?  ;)

Fgr 2 up.parkin again.Eastleigh drawing

Everything goes through Rhead. It's pretty basic stuff, think we'd undo these with 10 men over 90 mins.

Quoted from MarinerGaz

10 men + best fans!!!...could still take this!

Too right mate, it sounds a cracking game too.

Quoted from GrimsbyTiger4

singing fcuk the GIMPS and the IRA du du du....

I've just spent 6 days on the bog side of (London) Derry, believe me, you would not even dare think that!

Phew. McKeown rounded, Symonds puts it over

I mean 11 men. Or Do I ??

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

I've just spent 6 days on the bog side of (London) Derry, believe me, you would not even dare think that!

Just a sing song my friend ;)

Quoted from RoboCod

I mean 11 men. Or Do I ??

Thought that was just confidence!

Quoted from MarinerGaz

Thought that was just confidence!

Well, why not :)
Could do with fresh legs here though.

Quoted from RoboCod

Well, why not :)
Could do with fresh legs here though.

Marshall on for a winner?  ::)

Live video of the game is streaming live on Periscope app by @larnemsriner Ken Andrews

Jeez, nearly grabbed it then!!

Thought Dis had done it there...

Come on Town. We can do this!

Lincoln are a shambles at the back!

No Town subs?  Please use 2 more.  Tired legs.

Seems like it's nearly all Town again

Come on lads...make our day! :)

Come on Town, keep creating and we could get a late winner...

Jamie devitt scores morecambes 4th

Cheltenham now 3-0 up at Torquay with 10 men ::)

Mackreth  coming on for Town

And JPP

Quoted from RoboCod

And JPP

My daughter happy about that, loves his name!

Alty beating Tranmere!!

Lincoln sound poor.

I'll take this now...blow up ref!  :D

Really, what's the point of double subbing just for stoppage time? Give them 5 plus stoppage at least. Stupid that.

1-1 FT

Given the circumstances, a good point in the end

UTM

Eastleigh win in the last minute.we are falling further and further behind and we are still in august

Back in the game with 10 men, players coming back from injury, apart from the suspension hopefully we can turn a corner from here!

FT.

"Should have been [insert amount] up by half time" : Copyright GTFC.

Lack of chances taken will keep us from top spot for another season, sigh.

Quoted from MarinerGaz

My daughter happy about that, loves his name!

Ah the Pittaman as my daughters calls him.  :)

Don't worry folks it will come right by May which is when it counts.

Fells better than half time, but still should be taking 3 points...hopefully that will settle us a bit more and we can get into this season now!

Quoted from oldun

Don't worry folks it will come right by May which is when it counts.

Hope not....the season proper ends the last day in April, so we need to be top then

Let's leave May to the play-off hopefuls  ;)

I just see this as falling further behind were we need to be.

Stupid from gowling to react and not good enough sorry.

I dont give a excrement who doesnt agree with me.

Sooner paul felicitations off the better, sick of the same old same old from chopping teams week in week out to the excrement loans he brings in.

Can't say i'm happy to be miles off FGR and Eastleigh before August is done. This league just gets more depressing by the year. Our fantastic fans deserve better.

Didn't see the penalty but Rhead's essentially admitted 'falling to the floor in agony as you do'.... Said he didn't even know it was a penalty was expecting a corner!

urine poor start to the season results wise, dunno how you can argue with that all things considered.  

Quoted from jonnyboy82

I just see this as falling further behind were we need to be.

Stupid from gowling to react and not good enough sorry.

I dont give a excrement who doesnt agree with me.

Sooner paul felicitations off the better, sick of the same old same old from chopping teams week in week out to the excrement loans he brings in.

Agree 100%.  He just hasn't got what it takes.

Quoted from Badger57

urine poor start to the season results wise, dunno how you can argue with that all things considered.  

You can't. Beat 2 newly promoted sides, drew against three average teams and lost to also rans.

Things can only get better as they say................but will they?

10th place and nearly 10 points off top isnt good enough especially after all the fans pulled together for the manager to give him the cash to make sure this kind of start didnt happen.

I don't see why people are panicking, yeah 9 points behind isn't good but we can bring this back plenty of time keep the faith !! :)

Keep the faith...

Quoted from OllieGTFC

I don't see why people are panicking, yeah 9 points behind isn't good but we can bring this back plenty of time keep the faith !! :)

We were saying that after going 5, then 7 points behind. Whose to say it won't get bigger?

Just the one questionable defeat in the first six games is not disastrous as far as I am concerned

Admittedly we've had chances to take more points in all four of the games that we haven't won but we've not been left so far behind that it is going to be impossible to catch up

When we start taking points off the likes of FGR and Eastleigh in six-pointers then we should be back up with the leading pack

Lose those of course and that's another matter but to use the old cliché...it's a marathon and not a sprint.

There's no reason just three weeks in to the season to be so down-hearted and think that we can't be champions. We can be...just keep believing! :)

UTM

Beat FGR twice and the gap is next to nowt.

Quoted from ginnywings

We were saying that after going 5, then 7 points behind. Whose to say it won't get bigger?

True, but why start panicking plenty of games to get the points early days

Quoted from Trawler

Live video of the game is streaming live on Periscope app by @larnemsriner Ken Andrews

Wish I'd known earlier, the missus was watching some family in Sea World Orlando on Periscope all the way through the game!

Quoted from OllieGTFC

True, but why start panicking plenty of games to get the points early days

I'm not panicking. As stated several times before, i don't think Hurst has what it takes to make us champions and if we go up, it will be via the play-offs.

History and current results have yet to prove otherwise.

Because its deja vu season after season..

Are some seriously not concerned that we never seem to just man up and take it to this excrement league.

Its always if if if or were only 9 points behind , why cant we ever be the ones to lay a marker down.

I will tell you why because after five and a half years paul hurst hasnt got what it takes.

Quoted from ginnywings

I'm not panicking. As stated several times before, i don't think Hurst has what it takes to make us champions and if we go up, it will be via the play-offs.

History and current results have yet to prove otherwise.

Okay so if we sacked Paul Hurst then who would you bring in ?? And who says he will want these players we have now who are capable of becoming champions

Given the circumstances you would have to consider this a decent point.

However we are now NINE points behind the leaders and we have yet to face a decent side and we are not yet out of August !

Finally if I hear another reporter saying Grimsby SHOULD be 2-0/3-0 up I think I will top myself !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FRUSTRATED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Because its deja vu season after season..

Are some seriously not concerned that we never seem to just man up and take it to this excrement league.

Its always if if if or were only 9 points behind , why cant we ever be the ones to lay a marker down.

I will tell you why because after five and a half years paul hurst hasnt got what it takes.

To be fair to him, it's only four and a half years.  :P

;D

We all said in the summerthat this league is win in the first half , with the exception of Mansfield most champions have run away with it from the off .
Deluding ourselves that it's only nine points to catch up already is exactly the same as the last four years.
It's gonna be the play offs at best and we all know we can't win them

Quoted from OllieGTFC

Okay so if we sacked Paul Hurst then who would you bring in ?? And who says he will want these players we have now who are capable of becoming champions

Never said i wanted him sacked. That's not my decision to make and you always run the risk of doing even worse. I will just support the team as usual and wait for someone, anyone to take us out of this league. If Hurst does it, then in my opinion it will be via the play offs. I'm not saying he is a excrement manager, just not got the nous the outperform the opposition. He's the non league Arsene Wenger. Perpetual finishers in 3rd and 4th spot.

I've always been cautious about all the hullaballoo from some that we are going to storm the league this year.

Just to make it clear. I'm not moaning, i'm not negative and i'm not asking for Hurst to be sacked. I'm just disappointed that once again we look off the pace so early. I hope we storm the league, but i just can't see it at present.

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Because its deja vu season after season..

Are some seriously not concerned that we never seem to just man up and take it to this excrement league.

Its always if if if or were only 9 points behind , why cant we ever be the ones to lay a marker down.

I will tell you why because after five and a half years paul hurst hasnt got what it takes.

Maybe in your opinion he hasn't got what it takes but it is four and a half years he's been at Town...helps your case if you get your facts right  ;)

A good point against a predictably cheating side and another poor decison
and we dominated with 10 men as well
we will still be up there as our fortune and our eforts will turn
didnt turn out a bad afternoon when you hear the result from the Rugby League Final as well..
Come on Town!!

Oh so only four and a half years and were still in the same league.

Right O.

There is another 40 games to play this season,

Plenty of time to get top spot,

I would rather be top in April than August,

KEEP THE FAITH !!!!!!!

If the manager and players give up after half a dozen games like some on here then we have no chance. Thankfully they won't

Quoted from oldun

If the manager and players give up after half a dozen games like some on here then we have no chance. Thankfully they won't

THIS

Quoted from jonnyboy82

10th place and nearly 10 points off top isnt good enough especially after all the fans pulled together for the manager to give him the cash to make sure this kind of start didnt happen.

Operation Promotion is starting to look very stupid - Operation Embarrassment more like

Quoted from Ipswin

Operation Promotion is starting to look very stupid - Operation Embarrassment more like

Take it you will be drowning your sorrows tonight rather than raising a glass in celebration of a hard won point :P

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

Take it you will be drowning your sorrows tonight rather than raising a glass in celebration of a hard won point :P

I'll be drowning my sorrows to two more points dropped against a team we should / could have beaten by 2 or 3 clear goals - what's to celebrate as we promise much but achieve nowt yet again

Im gonna pop out the champers to us drawing one all at lincoln and romping our way to 10th place.


FFS some on here.

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Im gonna pop out the champers to us drawing one all at lincoln and romping our way to 10th place.


FFS some on here.

Champers?? You sound more like a bitter man to me   ;)

JD on the rocks.

I seem to have drank alot more of em in the last five sorry i mean four and half years.  ;)

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Im gonna pop out the champers to us drawing one all at lincoln and romping our way to 10th place.


FFS some on here.

WUM

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Im gonna pop out the champers to us drawing one all at lincoln and romping our way to 10th place.


FFS some on here.

Christ on a bike --  it's bloody football!!!

Went enjoyed it ,bit drunk with the result ( how can that fat illegitimate hit the deck so easy time after time )fans were great , players gave their all one day soon the shite officials will be to our advantage,( what exactly is the purpose of the linos ) Great finish from Omar .Loved the players reactions when we scored . Exciting to watch certainly .

Roll on Monday utm

Good to hear the views of someone who went today H C M

Can't believe you've been 'red-crossed' for your summing up - must be a troll on here

Anyway agree with you - roll on Monday and let's try and get back to winning ways with all of our fans behind the team and the manager

UTM

Can I just ask all of the sycophants and red cross merchants to LOOK at the f.ucking league table.  This is NOT good enough.  F.ucking  wise up, this idiot will never get us promoted.  Red cross me all you like, fuc.king burying your head in the sand doesn't help!!!

Quoted from HighamMariner

Can I just ask all of the sycophants and red cross merchants to LOOK at the f.ucking league table.  This is NOT good enough.  F.ucking  wise up, this idiot will never get us promoted.  Red cross me all you like, fuc.king burying your head in the sand doesn't help!!!

FFS we should have won with ten men.

Quoted from promotion plaice

FFS we should have won with ten men.

Should have, could have.  Look at the table, it shows very clearly what Hurst has achieved so far.  Nothing!

Noones achieved anything from this season's league table?

Quoted from HighamMariner

Can I just ask all of the sycophants and red cross merchants to LOOK at the f.ucking league table.  This is NOT good enough.  F.ucking  wise up, this idiot will never get us promoted.  Red cross me all you like, fuc.king burying your head in the sand doesn't help!!!

So much anger....so little point!

Quoted from LH

Noones achieved anything from this season's league table?

Really?  You actually belive that?  Jeez.  Forest Green are 9 (nine) points ahead of us, the mighty Eastleigh and Woking are above us.  If you can be satisfied with that then I guess your expectation level is a bloody mile away from mine.  Same sh1t different season.

We've got to play FGR twice and they won't keep up that rate all season. Relax.

Quoted from barralad

So much anger....so little point!

You should get at least 25 green ticks for that, unfortunately ticks won't get us promoted.  Accept failure and you get failure.  

Quoted from oldun

Beat FGR twice and the gap is next to nowt.

We took 6 points off Barnet. Net result. Still 6 points behind them.

Quoted from HighamMariner

You should get at least 25 green ticks for that, unfortunately ticks won't get us promoted.  Accept failure and you get failure.  

I guess our failureometers are calibrated differently. Failure is something that can be assessed after 46 games...

Oh and I long ago ceased to have any interest in the ridiculous crosses/ticks business. Feel free to downgrade my reputation....

Quoted from barralad

I guess our failureometers are calibrated differently. Failure is something that can be assessed after 46 games...

How would you rate our success/failure in the previous 5 batches of 46 games? Would you say we have failed more than we succeeded or succeeded more than we failed?

Quoted from grimsby pete

There is another 40 games to play this season,

Plenty of time to get top spot,

I would rather be top in April than August,

KEEP THE FAITH !!!!!!!

But in August wouldn't you rather have maximum points in the bag?

Isn't that a better indicator of ultimate success in April than having 50%?

Quoted from barralad

I guess our failureometers are calibrated differently. Failure is something that can be assessed after 46 games...

Oh and I long ago ceased to have any interest in the ridiculous crosses/ticks business. Feel free to downgrade my reputation....

You say you've lost interest in it, but I note that you still indulge in it.

Quoted from chaos33

You say you've lost interest in it, but I note that you still indulge in it.

Oh I've lost interest in ticks/crosses but I still have an occasional dabble into reputations...

Quoted from KingstonMariner

How would you rate our success/failure in the previous 5 batches of 46 games? Would you say we have failed more than we succeeded or succeeded more than we failed?

A difficult question. I never thought we'd bounce straight back after 2010 because we'd fallen such a long way. I think we "stopped the rot" in 2010/11 so for me that was a kind of success, failed to progress at all in 2011/12. Improved greatly in 2012/13 and had two excellent cup runs-stagnated in 2013/14 and then pushed on in 2014/15. I don't and never will have promotion as my only criterium for success. I would watch Town whatever level they were at and although EVERY season I "hope" they get promoted I accept that football isn't always that simple (edit:-rarely that simple). My health really isn't good enough to get too wound up by it. As Julie Andrews said "When I'm troubled I simply think of my favourite things" and I've seen some bloody fantastic things at GTFC since I started watching them in 68/69. Can't really be more specific (at 22:45 on a Saturday night)

Think our performances so far have on average been much better than last term. We will always have a bad performance here and there. Results will come if we can keep putting in a good performance. Happy for us to be written off by the other teams, town have never played well under pressure regardless of the squad at the time.

Quoted from barralad

A difficult question. I never thought we'd bounce straight back after 2010 because we'd fallen such a long way. I think we "stopped the rot" in 2010/11 so for me that was a kind of success, failed to progress at all in 2011/12. Improved greatly in 2012/13 and had two excellent cup runs-stagnated in 2013/14 and then pushed on in 2014/15. I don't and never will have promotion as my only criterium for success. I would watch Town whatever level they were at and although EVERY season I "hope" they get promoted I accept that football isn't always that simple (edit:-rarely that simple). My health really isn't good enough to get too wound up by it. As Julie Andrews said "When I'm troubled I simply think of my favourite things" and I've seen some bloody fantastic things at GTFC since I started watching them in 68/69. Can't really be more specific (at 22:45 on a Saturday night)

I wish I could be as stoical as you Barra. Seems our successometers are calibrated differently. For me it's been failure every year with some enjoyable spots along the way - more of the enjoyment comes from things off the pitch than on it.

But given your philosophical nature, how can you not accept that some people are rather annoyed at the way things have panned out/are panning out? It seems odd you seem to get so wound up at other people getting annoyed with the performances (overall over the past X year, not specifically today) and or express the view that the manager isn't good enough? Even if they're wrong, it seems perfectly reasonable for people to question things. it's not such a ludicrous position to hold.

I think by definition all of us on here (almost all of us) would watch Town whatever level they're at.

For some reason, those that say we are going to win the league are applauded and seen as positive Town fans, whereas those who don't think Hurst is good enough to make us champions are seen as negative moaners. Neither camp can see into the future, yet it's way more acceptable to voice your opinion in the affirmative, than it is to have doubts.

The only thing that we have to go on is what has happened to date and that is near miss after near miss, followed by another average set of results at the start of this season. If you think it will come good and being 9 points off the lead is somehow negated by it being early in the season, then that is your prerogative. If however, you feel this season already looks to be going the same way as the previous ones, then who can blame people for having that view?

They say history never repeats but it does if your a Town fan it seems.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I wish I could be as stoical as you Barra. Seems our successometers are calibrated differently. For me it's been failure every year with some enjoyable spots along the way - more of the enjoyment comes from things off the pitch than on it.

But given your philosophical nature, how can you not accept that some people are rather annoyed at the way things have panned out/are panning out? It seems odd you seem to get so wound up at other people getting annoyed with the performances (overall over the past X year, not specifically today) and or express the view that the manager isn't good enough? Even if they're wrong, it seems perfectly reasonable for people to question things. it's not such a ludicrous position to hold.

I think by definition all of us on here (almost all of us) would watch Town whatever level they're at.

Apart from the drama queens who regularly decide that they are never going to set foot inside B.P. again!
I normally limit myself to a couple of posts post-match but regrettably found myself well wound up by the attitude of people who weren't even there criticising team/manager. For the record I thought the 10 men who got us out of the mess created by Gowling, ably assisted by a manager who showed tactical nous were absolutely fantastic. The atmosphere Wembley aside was the best I've been in since probably the Tottenham game in 2005. My philosophical nature (although I'm no Epicurus or Jeremy Bentham) only supports me to the level that it allows me to accept that occasionally things happen in football that step outside of the norm. Had Town not done as well as they undoubtably did with ten men and had gone on to lose the game I'd not have reacted as much on here. If people's expectations are such that they consider a point won in such circumstances (against a team that actually have started as well as us with a more difficult group of fixtures) to be two points lost in the great scheme of things then I genuinely believe they should consider another hobby for the sake of their collective health. I'm a positive sort of person and sometimes even I think I'm a bit too happy clappy but to read on here that Operation Promotion has become an embarrassment because we aren't in the same position as FGR, Wrexham etc. FFS!

Ginny I think this season could be different. There is better football being played, we are scoring goals and creating loads of chances. However, the key phrase is it could be different. Time will tell, and of course we all want the one thing in promotion. However, we do not have the biggest budget in the league and that means we have to rely on things other than that to achieve it. We have to fight tooth and nail to get there, and from what I've seen so far this season the players and the manager are trying to do this. Hurst will make the odd bad decision, keepers will intercourse up, defenders will throttle pub league strikers. It shouldn't happen, but it will. I'd rather get these out of our system early and then push on. I'll keep supporting my team as mush as I can, I don't think it's wildly optimistic to do that, in fact, I think we should all do it a bit more, cos you never know what might happen if you give things a chance.

Quoted from barralad

Apart from the drama queens who regularly decide that they are never going to set foot inside B.P. again!
I normally limit myself to a couple of posts post-match but regrettably found myself well wound up by the attitude of people who weren't even there criticising team/manager. For the record I thought the 10 men who got us out of the mess created by Gowling, ably assisted by a manager who showed tactical nous were absolutely fantastic. The atmosphere Wembley aside was the best I've been in since probably the Tottenham game in 2005. My philosophical nature (although I'm no Epicurus or Jeremy Bentham) only supports me to the level that it allows me to accept that occasionally things happen in football that step outside of the norm. Had Town not done as well as they undoubtably did with ten men and had gone on to lose the game I'd not have reacted as much on here. If people's expectations are such that they consider a point won in such circumstances (against a team that actually have started as well as us with a more difficult group of fixtures) to be two points lost in the great scheme of things then I genuinely believe they should consider another hobby for the sake of their collective health. I'm a positive sort of person and sometimes even I think I'm a bit too happy clappy but to read on here that Operation Promotion has become an embarrassment because we aren't in the same position as FGR, Wrexham etc. FFS!

Barra, I respect you and often find I agree with you, but this is an incredibly dismissive, almost elitist post. 'Drama queens'? And once again, this notion running through yours (and others' posts) that if you don't attend a match you have no right to a view on it (particularly if it contains critical or disappointed content). This is the real 'negativity' on this board in my view, and it makes me want to stop contributing. I personally have not criticised the manager or players per se (although I'm sure we can all agree that Gowling was foolish). I personally don't think that operation promotion has become 'an embarrassment'. Why so defensive and dismissive of other people's views?

I have followed Town for more than 30 years and have studied, played and coached the game. My view is as valid as anyone else's and there are aspects of our current situation that, believe it or not, need discussion and scrutiny. In my opinion, people who cannot tolerate others challenging their views, or expressing a position that implies some critical analysis are obstructing our evolution. It cannot be denied that our results and league position thus far this term are following a familiar pattern since we fell to this level, and that the gap to the impressive leaders is, at best, unfortunate.
For the record, I think yesterday's result and performance ought to earn the manager and players plenty of praise. I do try to remain balanced in all my posts, but obviously that isn't coming across.

I think the board is a better place if people can allow some respectful and friendly debate about our team without having to resort to calling people 'drama queens' or excluding or disparaging their views because they didn't/couldn't attend a particular game.

UTM.

Quoted from barralad

Apart from the drama queens who regularly decide that they are never going to set foot inside B.P. again!
I normally limit myself to a couple of posts post-match but regrettably found myself well wound up by the attitude of people who weren't even there criticising team/manager. For the record I thought the 10 men who got us out of the mess created by Gowling, ably assisted by a manager who showed tactical nous were absolutely fantastic. The atmosphere Wembley aside was the best I've been in since probably the Tottenham game in 2005. My philosophical nature (although I'm no Epicurus or Jeremy Bentham) only supports me to the level that it allows me to accept that occasionally things happen in football that step outside of the norm. Had Town not done as well as they undoubtably did with ten men and had gone on to lose the game I'd not have reacted as much on here. If people's expectations are such that they consider a point won in such circumstances (against a team that actually have started as well as us with a more difficult group of fixtures) to be two points lost in the great scheme of things then I genuinely believe they should consider another hobby for the sake of their collective health. I'm a positive sort of person and sometimes even I think I'm a bit too happy clappy but to read on here that Operation Promotion has become an embarrassment because we aren't in the same position as FGR, Wrexham etc. FFS!

A good post & you could apply that to some of our fans attitude also we have had a difficult start but lost only the once to Forest green.
2nd half we lost the game instead of pressing home our advantage, your midfield won every 2nd ball, every header and bossed the midfield.
While our players ball watched to a degree.
A season is not just one game but 46 every point gained is a point towards the end result.

How can PH be blamed for the draw? With 11 men we'd have won that easily, our performance was good enough. Is it Hurst's fault Gowling got sent off?

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Ginny I think this season could be different. There is better football being played, we are scoring goals and creating loads of chances. However, the key phrase is it could be different. Time will tell, and of course we all want the one thing in promotion. However, we do not have the biggest budget in the league and that means we have to rely on things other than that to achieve it. We have to fight tooth and nail to get there, and from what I've seen so far this season the players and the manager are trying to do this. Hurst will make the odd bad decision, keepers will intercourse up, defenders will throttle pub league strikers. It shouldn't happen, but it will. I'd rather get these out of our system early and then push on. I'll keep supporting my team as mush as I can, I don't think it's wildly optimistic to do that, in fact, I think we should all do it a bit more, cos you never know what might happen if you give things a chance.

I do support my team and i'll be there at BP tomorrow. I also agree that it is different this season and i have been thoroughly entertained in all 3 home fixtures to date.

You also make a good point about us not having the biggest budget and i alluded to that after last weeks game. Like it or not, FGR and Eastleigh are paying wages way beyond what we can afford, despite us having far bigger attendances. If either of those sides are managed competently, then we will have to fight tooth and nail (as you say) to better them and this is where the manger comes in. Football history is littered with success stories of teams that win leagues beyond their expectations and managers that achieve way more than they have a right to. I don't feel Hurst is such a manager despite being very competent. He just doesn't have the chutzpah to take us to the next level IMO.

This is where some confusion appears among SOME posters regarding my views. I'm not panicking, i'm not moaning, i'm not being negative and i'm not naive enough to think that finding and appointing a league winning manager is easy, so i'm just going to enjoy the ride and hope that we somehow get out of this league.

I still feel that last season was our best chance and that was scuppered by a poor start and too much fannying about getting a striker on board. FGR and Eastleigh have had another season to get their acts together and now look stronger than last year. Wrexham also seem to have improved by bringing in the manager i think we should have gone for. It's going to be tougher this season but if we can get that defence as lean and mean as last season, we now have the goals in us to make a difference.

As ever, i live in hope.

My thoughts too.

After supporting Town for over fifty years ,I would still support them if they were in the Lindsey Marsh League.This board is one  of the best boards going of any club.People posting on here should welcome a divergence of opinions (within reason) and welcome and encourage people to state individual opinions after all the the clue is in the phrase discussion.

It would be a very boring board if posters felt only able to post that agreed with the prevailing views.

Quoted from HighamMariner

Really?  You actually belive that?  Jeez.  Forest Green are 9 (nine) points ahead of us, the mighty Eastleigh and Woking are above us.  If you can be satisfied with that then I guess your expectation level is a bloody mile away from mine.  Same sh1t different season.

Nobody is saying they are satisfied with the results so far,

BUT

Promotion is won after 46 games NOT  6.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

But in August wouldn't you rather have maximum points in the bag?

Isn't that a better indicator of ultimate success in April than having 50%?

No how many points we have in August means nothing,

Its how many points we have at the end of the season that counts,

I would like us to win every game but we all know that's not possible.

Quoted from ginnywings

I do support my team and i'll be there at BP tomorrow. I also agree that it is different this season and i have been thoroughly entertained in all 3 home fixtures to date.

You also make a good point about us not having the biggest budget and i alluded to that after last weeks game. Like it or not, FGR and Eastleigh are paying wages way beyond what we can afford, despite us having far bigger attendances. If either of those sides are managed competently, then we will have to fight tooth and nail (as you say) to better them and this is where the manger comes in. Football history is littered with success stories of teams that win leagues beyond their expectations and managers that achieve way more than they have a right to. I don't feel Hurst is such a manager despite being very competent. He just doesn't have the chutzpah to take us to the next level IMO.

This is where some confusion appears among SOME posters regarding my views. I'm not panicking, i'm not moaning, i'm not being negative and i'm not naive enough to think that finding and appointing a league winning manager is easy, so i'm just going to enjoy the ride and hope that we somehow get out of this league.

I still feel that last season was our best chance and that was scuppered by a poor start and too much fannying about getting a striker on board. FGR and Eastleigh have had another season to get their acts together and now look stronger than last year. Wrexham also seem to have improved by bringing in the manager i think we should have gone for. It's going to be tougher this season but if we can get that defence as lean and mean as last season, we now have the goals in us to make a difference.

As ever, i live in hope.

Fair dos

Quoted from chaos33

Barra, I respect you and often find I agree with you, but this is an incredibly dismissive, almost elitist post. 'Drama queens'? And once again, this notion running through yours (and others' posts) that if you don't attend a match you have no right to a view on it (particularly if it contains critical or disappointed content). This is the real 'negativity' on this board in my view, and it makes me want to stop contributing. I personally have not criticised the manager or players per se (although I'm sure we can all agree that Gowling was foolish). I personally don't think that operation promotion has become 'an embarrassment'. Why so defensive and dismissive of other people's views?

I have followed Town for more than 30 years and have studied, played and coached the game. My view is as valid as anyone else's and there are aspects of our current situation that, believe it or not, need discussion and scrutiny. In my opinion, people who cannot tolerate others challenging their views, or expressing a position that implies some critical analysis are obstructing our evolution. It cannot be denied that our results and league position thus far this term are following a familiar pattern since we fell to this level, and that the gap to the impressive leaders is, at best, unfortunate.
For the record, I think yesterday's result and performance ought to earn the manager and players plenty of praise. I do try to remain balanced in all my posts, but obviously that isn't coming across.

I think the board is a better place if people can allow some respectful and friendly debate about our team without having to resort to calling people 'drama queens' or excluding or disparaging their views because they didn't/couldn't attend a particular game.

UTM.

Well where to start.....

Firstly I deliberately didn't name anyone as a drama queen. To my knowledge you have never come on here and said you won't go back to Blundell Park after a defeat. There are however posters who fit that description. You know it and I know it.
Elitist? I don't know...I do find it a lot easier to take on board the opinions of people who have actually witnessed the game that I've witnessed. By that I mean ANY opinion. It would be a very sad world if we all had the same opinion on the way forward for GTFC. As Marinerz 93 said we could all stand in a line and have a different view on what happened. I didn't see the sending off incident so, at half time I went in search of people who did. The first person said Gowling didn't touch him. The second said Gowling had him by the throat and the third said that he had him round the neck in a virtual stranglehold. The proof of the pudding...
If this was a film buffs board and the discussion was about a recently released film which I hadn't seen I wouldn't dream of commenting on the content for fear of making myself look daft. We'll just have to agree to disagree on validity of opinion when the person wishes to comment on something they haven't seen and expects their opinion to carry the same weight. It's like having a court case where the witnesses haven't seen the incident the case is about...
I've been called some things but never an evolution obstructor!!
To finish did you read back what you wrote? You accuse me of being defensive after detailing your defence against my (alleged) allegations.
To save the rest of the contributors from the terminal boredom of reading about two idiots who should know better I suggest that any further correspondence on this matter is dealt with by p.m.

Quoted from barralad

Well where to start.....

Firstly I deliberately didn't name anyone as a drama queen. To my knowledge you have never come on here and said you won't go back to Blundell Park after a defeat. There are however posters who fit that description. You know it and I know it.
Elitist? I don't know...I do find it a lot easier to take on board the opinions of people who have actually witnessed the game that I've witnessed. By that I mean ANY opinion. It would be a very sad world if we all had the same opinion on the way forward for GTFC. As Marinerz 93 said we could all stand in a line and have a different view on what happened. I didn't see the sending off incident so, at half time I went in search of people who did. The first person said Gowling didn't touch him. The second said Gowling had him by the throat and the third said that he had him round the neck in a virtual stranglehold. The proof of the pudding...
If this was a film buffs board and the discussion was about a recently released film which I hadn't seen I wouldn't dream of commenting on the content for fear of making myself look daft. We'll just have to agree to disagree on validity of opinion when the person wishes to comment on something they haven't seen and expects their opinion to carry the same weight. It's like having a court case where the witnesses haven't seen the incident the case is about...
I've been called some things but never an evolution obstructor!!
To finish did you read back what you wrote? You accuse me of being defensive after detailing your defence against my (alleged) allegations.
To save the rest of the contributors from the terminal boredom of reading about two idiots who should know better I suggest that any further correspondence on this matter is dealt with by p.m.

Don't the BBC do live commentary from the Odeon then?