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I think once this XI is all fit and well, then we will tank it  McKeown Tait - Gowling - Pearson - Robertson Arnold - Disley - Clay - Monkhouse Amond - Bogle. I think our super subs, that should be brought in near the end, to just keep the foot on the gas are: Marshall, Robinson and Toto - these 3 add pace and another dimension to just keep us fighting to the last whistle. Obviously if we play a faster team, swapping Toto for Gowling may be a good idea. BUT Toto should not be playing RB if we have East and Tait ready to go. !Just MY opinion!!!!!  |
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Sorry, but East is a class above and would always get in for me, but this is like you said, just opinions
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What East is better than Tait? Agree to disagree, East is a young talent (much like Bogle and Toto) But for me Tait is levels above East in terms of defensive mind and going forward. I'd like to see Hurst try East ina central midfield role, but not first choice RB for me... [but yeah opinions, I just thought I'd explain mine  ) |
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Am I the only one who thinks Robertson is only an OK left back and nothing special. I go back to the notorious Chester away game where both goals came from his side especially the daft penalty he gave away.
I would much rather see the right footed East play there, he is better getting forward whereas Robertson struggles to get back at times.
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Robertson is more solid as a LB, he seems more aware. However East will replace him in time, but as of current Robertson is better,
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East is a definite for me. His cross for Amond's goal was perfect. Does all Monkhouse's running for him too. They work well together.
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What East is better than Tait? Agree to disagree, East is a young talent (much like Bogle and Toto) But for me Tait is levels above East in terms of defensive mind and going forward. I'd like to see Hurst try East in a central midfield role, but not first choice RB for me... [but yeah opinions, I just thought I'd explain mine )
Why would you want to do that ? He's a full back, why Hurst would want to try any player out of position is beyond me. What a daft idea. I also don't buy in to playing Toto at right back, again why when we have specialist full backs in East, Tait and Robertson. All arguably better full backs than Toto. UTM |
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Am I the only one who thinks Robertson is only an OK left back and nothing special. I go back to the notorious Chester away game where both goals came from his side especially the daft penalty he gave away.
I would much rather see the right footed East play there, he is better getting forward whereas Robertson struggles to get back at times.
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Am I the only one who thinks Robertson is only an OK left back and nothing special. I go back to the notorious Chester away game where both goals came from his side especially the daft penalty he gave away.
I would much rather see the right footed East play there, he is better getting forward whereas Robertson struggles to get back at times.
Agree completely. Robertson is steady enough, positionally decent but has no pace. Thought we did well to get him in at short notice last season, and I had him figured as cover for the LB position this time around. His alleged great dead-ball delivery looks like a myth, tho'. |
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I would go East at right back from what I saw of him on Saturday and I would put Toto in for Pearson. I would plump for Robertson at left back purely because he his left footed.
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East is better on the ball but Robertson is the better defender, tough call to make really. Still think East is learning positionally when playing on his wrong side.
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I think Robertson is a better left-back than East due to his experience and also the fact that he is left-footed. I can't remember East putting in a decent cross when playing on the left in the first two games at BP though he certainly did his best to get forward and won a good few corners. Not easy to play on your wrong side and it is no coincidence that full-backs are invariably played on their correct side. When you've got to clear the ball up the line on numerous occasions during a game it's so much easier on your stronger foot.
Judging by Saturday's performance, I'd say East perhaps looks a better prospect for right-back than Tait though both look capable enough defenders. East's extra pace might be more of an asset going forward and he did put in one or two good crosses from that side on Saturday.
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nobody as mentioned JPP to me a fit Pitman could easily play up front.
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Robertson every time for me - defenders need to defend first and foremost and he has great experience at a higher level than this
Marshall will push Monkhouse when he is fully fit
Toto suffers cos he is one of three pitching for two places - I would have Pearson every time
If East and Robinson continue to shape up I would go
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East, Pearson, Gowling, Robertson
Arnold, Disley, Robinson, Monkhouse
Bogle, Amond
It's very harsh on two or three who will be on bench..but it's a strong bench
Clay, Toto, Pittman, Tait, Marshall
If we are challenging for top spot come Feb/March I expect Marshall to replace Monkhouse and Clay for Robinson (if latter not with us any more) or another loanee
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Robertson every time for me - defenders need to defend first and foremost and he has great experience at a higher level than this
Marshall will push Monkhouse when he is fully fit
Toto suffers cos he is one of three pitching for two places - I would have Pearson every time
If East and Robinson continue to shape up I would go
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East, Pearson, Gowling, Robertson
Arnold, Disley, Robinson, Monkhouse
Bogle, Amond
It's very harsh on two or three who will be on bench..but it's a strong bench
Clay, Toto, Pittman, Tait, Marshall
If we are challenging for top spot come Feb/March I expect Marshall to replace Monkhouse and Clay for Robinson (if latter not with us any more) or another loanee
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Might be unfair to judge him too quickly but Robinson does not look half the player Clay is. Yes, he might not be fully fit but can we afford to wait 2/3 games to see the best of him? Clay had had his wings clipped (if that was the intention) back to the team below for Saturday-
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Arnold Clay Disley Monkhouse
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Subs: Gowling, Robinson, Marshall, Mackreth, Pitt man
I like Robertson but East gets up and overlaps Monkhouse (who isn't gonna fly past players himself).
And I rate Toto more than most it seems. Would have him in the team at centre-back all day long. Seems to be an easy bandwagon to jump on to claim he always makes mistakes but I see him as being calm on the ball with good distribution from CB. For me doesn't really make any more mistakes than Pearson does but Pearson has the Mr Grimsby image. Don't get me wrong I love Shaun but he has the odd mistake in him too and the amount of time he shanks a simple pass out of play frustrates the life out of me.
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Might be unfair to judge him too quickly but Robertson does not look half the player Clay is.
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You're comparing a LB with a CM?
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Arnold Clay Disley Monkhouse
Amond Bogle
Subs: Gowling, Robinson, Marshall, Mackreth, Pitt man
I like Robertson but East gets up and overlaps Monkhouse (who isn't gonna fly past players himself).
And I rate Toto more than most it seems. Would have him in the team at centre-back all day long. Seems to be an easy bandwagon to jump on to claim he always makes mistakes but I see him as being calm on the ball with good distribution from CB. For me doesn't really make any more mistakes than Pearson does but Pearson has the Mr Grimsby image. Don't get me wrong I love Shaun but he has the odd mistake in him too and the amount of time he shanks a simple pass out of play frustrates the life out of me.
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I reckon we'll see Robertson and East as the full-backs and (probably) Robinson in for Clay again. I think those will be the 4 attacking players, though. Would be nice for Gowling and Marshall to score goals. God knows, we've been hit by the "curse of the ex" often enough. |
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I reckon we'll see Robertson and East as the full-backs and (probably) Robinson in for Clay again. I think those will be the 4 attacking players, though. Would be nice for Gowling and Marshall to score goals. God knows, we've been hit by the "curse of the ex" often enough.
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I'm not really sure why a loanee gets in ahead of Clay - it makes no sense fine as a sub but Clay has been one of our better players this season.
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If Toto is injured, and given the solid game East had, and that Robertson will have had another weeks training. Added to the fact Hurst is clearly a big admirer (he never misses an opportunity to praise his fitness/experience/professionalism). I think the back five will be-
Macca
East Gowling Pearson Robertson
Unless Hurst is extremely stubborn, or is seeing something totally different in training, I think the front four will be-
Arnold Monkhouse
Bogle Amond
The middle two is his BIG call. He will not be able to hide behind tiredness, as they have now had a week to recover. I think he will go for Dis and Clay. Then don't be suprised to see some or even all of JP, Robinson, Marshall and even Mackreth come in on Bank holiday Monday, irrespective of the score.
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If Toto is injured, and given the solid game East had, and that Robertson will have had another weeks training. Added to the fact Hurst is clearly a big admirer (he never misses an opportunity to praise his fitness/experience/professionalism). I think the back five will be-
Macca
East Gowling Pearson Robertson
Unless Hurst is extremely stubborn, or is seeing something totally different in training, I think the front four will be-
Arnold Monkhouse
Bogle Amond
The middle two is his BIG call. He will not be able to hide behind tiredness, as they have now had a week to recover. I think he will go for Dis and Clay. Then don't be suprised to see some or even all of JP, Robinson, Marshall and even Mackreth come in on Bank holiday Monday, irrespective of the score.
That's the team I would chose for Lincoln. If he leaves Amond out again then he's lost the plot.
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I would be amazed if Amond did not start. It would be tantamount to managerial suicide!!!!!!! Plus, the Fishy server/host/link/thingy-thing would break down by 5.30pm on Saturday evening!
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I would be amazed if Amond did not start. It would be tantamount to managerial suicide!!!!!!! Plus, the Fishy server/host/link/thingy-thing would break down by 5.30pm on Saturday evening!
Agree. That would break the internet. Actually, I won't be amazed if Amond doesn't start. I can see Hurst sacrificing him in the cause of countering some threat from the opposition. Just been reading a history of the American Civil War, and there's some of the George B.McClellan about Hurst. |
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Bogle Amond
Bench: Gowling, Clay, Marshall, Mackreth, Pittman
I still believe Brown is a better footballer than Clay, his touch is better, he is more tenacious and is more mobile.
Toto will only get better by playing more games and East looked like a class player playing at right back last week.
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Bogle Amond
Bench: Gowling, Clay, Marshall, Mackreth, Pittman
I still believe Brown is a better footballer than Clay, his touch is better, he is more tenacious and is more mobile.
Toto will only get better by playing more games and East looked like a class player playing at right back last week.
Brown isn't as good a footballer as Clay IMO. Gets caught in possession too often, tries to do a Cruyff turn and gets tackled, add to that he hasn't looked in very good shape since his original injury at the beginning of last season. Clay every day off the week for me. UTM |
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Has to pick Clay purely because he is more physical and its bound to be a physical contest. Amond must, I repeat MUST START. You have confidence in him that when he bears down on goal, he will bury it, a bit like Liam Hearn just not as quick or good on the ball. East looked a class act at left back and the team has a much greater balance with a right footed player at right back and the same on the left.
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Might be unfair to judge him too quickly but Robinson does not look half the player Clay is. Yes, he might not be fully fit but can we afford to wait 2/3 games to see the best of him? Clay had had his wings clipped (if that was the intention) back to the team below for Saturday-
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East Pearson Gowling Robertson
Arnold Dis Clay Monkhouse
Bogle Amond
Subs- JP, Marshall, Robinson, Tait, Venney (assuming Toto is unfit)
Spot on!!! Not only with the 11 but with the comment about Robinson.... saw on Saturday that he has great vision, weight of pass and can play and credit to him as after the OG and a poor 1st half he could have shrunk but "Cassius" overall has been good and is growing into an excellent player at this level. FU&%&NG COME ON TOWN!!!! |
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I think East would make a good midfield player,
He has space, energy has got a good pass in in,
He also has played in midfield before so it is not playing him out of position,
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I think East would make a good midfield player,
He has space, energy has got a good pass in in,
He also has played in midfield before so it is not playing him out of position,
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With Hurst bringing in Robinson I do not see him playing Danny there.
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Spot on!!!
Not only with the 11 but with the comment about Robinson.... saw on Saturday that he has great vision, weight of pass and can play and credit to him as after the OG and a poor 1st half he could have shrunk but "Cassius" overall has been good and is growing into an excellent player at this level.
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Dear oh dear people are making Robinson sound like a world beater. He was junk.
If Hurst doesn't put Clay back in he wants shooting
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Quite.
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Dear oh dear people are making Robinson sound like a world beater. He was junk.
If Hurst doesn't put Clay back in he wants shooting
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And you've arrived at that conclusion after one game?
You were probably calling Clay junk this time last year, like most others.
Because I've only seen him play once never seen him before that so only got that to go on. Like I say some on here making him out to be a world beater. Never see Tommy Forecast before he came on loan but knew he was excrement after 1game. As I have said on here before no I wasn't calling Clay junk. Thought he was a good player after the first game seeing him. |
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Because I've only seen him play once never seen him before that so only got that to go on. Like I say some on here making him out to be a world beater.
Never see Tommy Forecast before he came on loan but knew he was excrement after 1game.
As I have said on here before no I wasn't calling Clay junk. Thought he was a good player after the first game seeing him.
Nobody on here is "making Robinson out to be a world beater", There's no evidence of that whatsoever. You've completely imagined it. |
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But you were also repeatedly posting how shite Arnold was this time last year.
Guilty as charged 😳 He's now my fav player 😄 |
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Having watched Robinson last week very poor first half improved second slightly own goal anyone can score those lucky with his goal probably helped by there keeper, may be OK for sub Clay must start for me but not sure PH will pick him as for Brown I feel he has let the club and the town down I find him a bit of a headless chicken sometimes a poor passer of the ball a ok tackler I just think Clay is a better passer of the ball and has the edge on Brown
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Robinson looked a bit lost in the first half and did OK in the second half. Hardly a world-beater, however. Probably a little better at passing than Clay but a bit 'weaker' in other areas. Not much to choose between the two from my viewpoint though I'd probably go for Clay over Robinson today.
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It's got to be clay starting today and east
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Very unfair on Robinson he was thrust into the first team and expected to be match fit and up to speed WTF?? They say Hurst as not got a ruthless streak I disagree. Hurst has a big mean streak I just hope he channels it in a better way than that again.
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Mackreth wouldn't be anywhere near BP in my strongest XI let alone whoever the intercourse Townsend is.
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