DN35 podcast at 6pm

with JS , AP & Artell - live here (I think!)

Artell admitted he'd tried to change too much too soon, tried to get the players to run before they  could walk.

Good analogy by Andrew - 21st group helps by allowing them shop via Amazon global, rather than just going to the limited stock in your corner shop. Artell did say it is not all about data - got to be the right sort of person as well

Chit thought it started at 7pm willit be available on utube

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Chit thought it started at 7pm willit be available on utube

yes you can watch it now


sounds like some new investors may be coming on board in the next few weeks

artell confirmed it's going to be 10-12 incoming

Quoted from forza ivano

yes you can watch it now


sounds like some new investors may be coming on board in the next few weeks

Yeah good question to ask, not sure if they are local investors but mentioned about ties to the area.

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Yeah good question to ask, not sure if they are local investors but mentioned about ties to the area.

They mentioned that some of them have ties to the area and the club as supporters and some are sport based.

I know of a local company who have taken up some sponsorship deals for next season...not sure I would count them as "investors" however.

Quoted from moosey_club

I know of a local company who have taken up some sponsorship deals for next season...not sure I would count them as "investors" however.

he was talking about the shareholder list being expanded, or something along those lines

I thought that was really good, open, honest and the DN lads did a great job.

Owners are another level when you think about the past & what supporters of other clubs are currently enduring. Also I really like Artell’s understanding of the history & heritage of the club while trying to move it forward.

Quoted from forza ivano

he was talking about the shareholder list being expanded, or something along those lines

Good podcast. Really do enjoy listening to them and I think they was very honest. I really don't understand how people can not trust them to do right by the club.

Excited to hear that we hopefully will have some more investment/shareholders. I think it is needed to run this club long term.

I may have missed it but did they mention the training ground?

Sounds like multiple investors coming on board shortly , interested to find out who they are, some with links to the Town it seems .

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Good podcast. Really do enjoy listening to them and I think they was very honest. I really don't understand how people can not trust them to do right by the club.

Excited to hear that we hopefully will have some more investment/shareholders. I think it is needed to run this club long term.

I may have missed it but did they mention the training ground?

No mention of the new training ground mate

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No mention of the new training ground mate

Yes I thought that too makes you think it was one thing they were not prepared to talk about and insisted that the hosts swerved it

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Yes I thought that too makes you think it was one thing they were not prepared to talk about and insisted that the hosts swerved it

Maybe linked to investors coming in?

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Yes I thought that too makes you think it was one thing they were not prepared to talk about and insisted that the hosts swerved it

Hi mate, can assure you it’s not and for the record never has been the case that we’ve been told to avoid a topic.

We tried to squeeze as much in as possible into a limited timeframe and we’re trying to be as creative as we could to do that. The training ground question has been covered lots before and we felt leading with a question on infrastructure, Blundell Park and any changes planned would give them a chance to say something, if anything had changed.

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I thought that was really good, open, honest and the DN lads did a great job.

Owners are another level when you think about the past & what supporters of other clubs are currently enduring. Also I really like Artell’s understanding of the history & heritage of the club while trying to move it forward.

Thanks Herts, we tried our best to fit as much in as possible whilst conscious some of the topics would need abit of time otherwise you’re not learning as much by rushing it (ie data/reflections on the season). It might have worked, it might not have but hope people enjoy it anyway.

Massive thanks to Jason, Andrew and David for giving up their time tonight. They approached us wanting to arrange something and answer fans questions which tells you an awful lot about them.

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Hi mate, can assure you it’s not and for the record never has been the case that we’ve been told to avoid a topic.

We tried to squeeze as much in as possible into a limited timeframe and we’re trying to be as creative as we could to do that. The training ground question has been covered lots before and we felt leading with a question on infrastructure, Blundell Park and any changes planned would give them a chance to say anything, if anything had changed.

Thankyou for your response, I thought the podcast was absolutely excellent

As others have said.....a million miles from previous such events under previous ownership so a pleasant enough watch, informative around data , main stand improvements and the new CEO's attributes.

Also a heartfelt admission or even a plea from Jason about some of the vitriol posted and the effects it can have.. certainly made me think a little...not that i consider myself to be abusive or persistent in angry posts or criticisms but i will make a commitment that this coming season i will remind myself of the effects and as they said consider that whatever i want to write in that moment is effectively there forever so pause for thought and keep things civil.

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Also a heartfelt admission or even a plea from Jason about some of the vitriol posted and the effects it can have.. certainly made me think a little...not that i consider myself to be abusive or persistent in angry posts or criticisms but i will make a commitment that this coming season i will remind myself of the effects and as they said consider that whatever i want to write in that moment is effectively there forever so pause for thought and keep things civil.

Absolutely. Have made a concerted effort myself to try not be as reactionary as that poor run of results was making me. Going early on Artell should go, wrongly, which I’ve never really done with a manager from memory bugged me a lot as being unfair.. plus a point he made in his recent interview stuck with me.

Like you, I don’t think I moved into the abuse category but definitely needed to think more before firing off a tweet. Problem is with Twitter, it’s just there to shout into the universe anything you want that you ordinarily wouldn’t do. Or get into heated arguments with people that if you were down the pub or face to face just would be a friendly debate.

Less of a problem here because by the time I’ve logged on and read through stuff I’m usually abit more chilled - definitley something we should all consider - whilst remembering criticism is absolutely fine and healthy, in the right way.

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Like you, I don’t think I moved into the abuse category but definitely needed to think more before firing off a tweet. Problem is with Twitter, it’s just there to shout into the universe anything you want that you ordinarily wouldn’t do. Or get into heated arguments with people that if you were down the pub or face to face just would be a friendly debate.

Think the main problem, whether it’s here or twitter or wherever, is that there’s a group of people who just act endlessly in bad faith purely to be contrarian. It’s like the main aspect of their personality - aside from being obnoxious and achingly boring. Suppose most people get them at work & you just roll your eyes & ignore them, but must be difficult when you have to at least pretend to care about them.

Just on the atmosphere discussion, the club need to maybe have a rethink about where they put large groups of kids & families if they want a more hostile atmosphere. Last time I was in the Osmond it was like a crèche & I think it’s generally where school or club outings get stuck.

Enjoyed the pod cast but nothing on the new training ground.

I just love the passion Jason and Andrew have, and it shows in how much Jason doesnt hold back from swearing.

Huffing and fuffing and effing and jeffing.

Thats the best kind of person to have in charge.

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I just love the passion Jason and Andrew have, and it shows in how much Jason doesnt hold back from swearing.

Huffing and fuffing and effing and jeffing.

Thats the best kind of person to have in charge.

We missed a trick then, could of had Roy Chubby Brown. He is local.

I'm sure there are many on here have 'been vitrioled'  either in a workplace or as a business owner on SM - it's a difficult one for me as I see where he's coming from and going over the line with personal abuse is not on .

But it sounds like it's just added to their motivation - didn't Stockwood say they are 'fuelled' now or something along those lines ? Both Stockwood & Pettit sounded more emotional than I think I have heard to date , no one can question their passion for the club and let's hope this season can be the setback that drives us forward.

Really enjoyed this and felt the two owners and gaffer came across really well.

The lads at DN35 did a really good job extracting as much out of the trio as they possibly could in the given time frame.

Particularly enjoyed Stockwoods good hearted dig at Sam at the end. Sam looked like he didnt know where to put himself !

It was a good listen, I just would of preferred more from the manager about the team, players and aspirations.

I’ll be honest and admit that I try to avoid listening to JS and DA where possible. That’s not a dig at them as such. I feel once you’ve heard one JS interview in a short period you’ve heard every thing he has to say as he’s very good at sticking to a party line and has consistent opinions. DA I have avoided purely because he mainly talks about our football and I haven’t wanted to re-live it or prejudice what I’m about to see.

I made an exception for this and was impressed. There’s definitely regrets and lessons learned which is important as we used to make the same mistakes again and again. I don’t think it’s as probable that we’ll see those mistakes repeated next season - at least not through complacency.

I’m going to make a new seasons resolution to not be as reactionary immediately on here or other socials this coming season from what JS said. It doesn’t help anyone and has a higher chance of making me look stupid!

Excellent pod cast. What I take from it is that despite a horrific season, which none of us expected, I think there are genuine grounds for optimism about the future.

JS and AP are smart guys. They have made mistakes but have owned up to them and I believe will have learned from them. Let's face it they have only been running a football club for three years so obviously would have a steep learning curve. Given the immediate return to the EFL in their first season and the incredible cup run in their second, they might have underestimated how tough it is. But they Know now and they clearly have great passion for the club.

I am impressed with Artell too. he has owned up to his mistakes too. But I get the impression he knows how to improve matters on the pitch.

It sounds like new investment is imminent, and the playing budget will be ok next season.

We will be recruiting with a plan, let's hope that we can persuade the players we want and need to come here.    

I enjoyed that and I don't think we could have anyone better to look after our club than Jason and Andrew.

Glad they have found some more like minded people to come on board to help out.

Onwards and upwards. We are all town

I think Andrew very nearly revealed the new sponsor of the "Findus..........sorry......the unnamed stand"

First time I’ve listened to AP and JS in depth . Very impressed tbf . It’s a good listen and if we can get it right on the pitch we’ll be flying . Artell is a very intelligent bloke who talks so much sense he doesn’t sound like a football manager ( I mean that in a positive way ) . I still think he needs one of his own coaches who understands him and the way he wants to play

For those that wanted a bit more on the team and the retained list etc the interview DA did on Humberside yesterday was quite interesting, only 15 mins long but worth a listen.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hvfh4w

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For those that wanted a bit more on the team and the retained list etc the interview DA did on Humberside yesterday was quite interesting, only 15 mins long but worth a listen.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0hvfh4w

what did you find interesting? I listened and was a bit disappointed; not in Artell,but thought the interviewer might tease 1 or bits more out of him. Nothing on the possible foreign players, nothing on what style he might be playing (i'm still shiite scared that he will revert back to playing Artellball, with similar consequences)

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what did you find interesting? I listened and was a bit disappointed; not in Artell,but thought the interviewer might tease 1 or bits more out of him. Nothing on the possible foreign players, nothing on what style he might be playing (i'm still shiite scared that he will revert back to playing Artellball, with similar consequences)

He mentioned the playing style in the DN interview , we will be reverting back somewhat but he say's 'it won't be as an extreme version of what he tried first off' or something along those lines .

Quoted from forza ivano

what did you find interesting? I listened and was a bit disappointed; not in Artell,but thought the interviewer might tease 1 or bits more out of him. Nothing on the possible foreign players, nothing on what style he might be playing (i'm still shiite scared that he will revert back to playing Artellball, with similar consequences)

I thought it was interesting that he's essentially not having any time off, said he's in meetings pretty much all this week and next week.

Thought it was "interesting" that he might have devoted a bit of family time given what he's gone through over the last few weeks. But instead he is cracking on and showing real commitment to the club and us fans to make us better. Really hope now he can do it as much for him as us.

I actually have enjoyed as much as I've listened to so far.
Signing section trial is a good idea as it's not committing to something that may fail but if it works who knows. Although I did like the idea of having essentially 2 seats depending on which section our fans are in, it could be doable.

Nice to hear about the work going on in the Main.

Playing side enjoyed listening to DA.

Ceo, seems a very very good appointment with bags of experience

I found it very interesting and informative. JS, AP and DA were very open and didn't shirk away from the misjudgements and things they got wrong.

Yep, really good episode and I enjoyed listening to JS and AP talk in a way that they don't always talk when interviewed by RH.

I get the Amazon/corner shop analogy regards recruitment, but it goes against what they've been promoting in terms of investing in the local community — you'd shop at your local grocer's, wouldn't you; invest in the local area, and not put money into other people's economies — but I suppose the best players aren't going to be local so you have to cast the net wider.

Would be nice if one day we had the best local talent, so we didn't have to shop internationally. Even with the best will in the world, that's years away. Perhaps one day we'll be the local shop others want to buy from.

I thought the fact Andrew was clearly speaking as investors being plural was very encouraging. Also saying shareholding will increase would mean it’s more than a sponsor etc. I’m really quite enthused for the future even so soon after a poor season.

Thanks for the feedback aswell, glad people enjoyed it 🙂

Really enjoyed it and I think everybody can learn a lot from Jason’s segment about reactions online, we’re all guilty of it at some point.

Found Artells stuff really interesting too, he was absolutely bang on the money about style of play and how the way we play contributes to not scoring enough goals. He talks about playing to stop the opposition means you’re not in control of that football match and you can’t repeat any actions, because you’re constantly setting up to stop others in different ways. He still divides opinions but you get the feeling that he knows exactly how to win, he just needs to get that across to the (right) players.

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He talks about playing to stop the opposition means you’re not in control of that football match ........................because you’re constantly setting up to stop others in different ways.

I felt that that was how PH set his team up week in, week out. In the last few months it was like he was incapable of playing an attacking XI but would rather set his team up in a way that could thwart the other team, which more often than not, failed to happen as well.

I also found the Artell part really interesting. I’ve not heard the term repeatable goals before but it makes a lot of sense. All the best town teams in my lifetime have had a repeatable way of scoring. Think a one two with Tony Rees, Donovan crossing for Groves or a ball in the channel for Reddy. Can’t think of any references from the last 20 odd years funnily enough

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I also found the Artell part really interesting. I’ve not heard the term repeatable goals before but it makes a lot of sense. All the best town teams in my lifetime have had a repeatable way of scoring. Think a one two with Tony Rees, Donovan crossing for Groves or a ball in the channel for Reddy. Can’t think of any references from the last 20 odd years funnily enough

I can think of a few repeatable ways of conceding though.

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Really enjoyed it and I think everybody can learn a lot from Jason’s segment about reactions online, we’re all guilty of it at some point.

Found Artells stuff really interesting too, he was absolutely bang on the money about style of play and how the way we play contributes to not scoring enough goals. He talks about playing to stop the opposition means you’re not in control of that football match and you can’t repeat any actions, because you’re constantly setting up to stop others in different ways. He still divides opinions but you get the feeling that he knows exactly how to win, he just needs to get that across to the (right) players.

That makes a lot of sense. I think there are 3 approaches to playing:

Stop the opposition (Hurst)
Play a rigid way (Buckley)
Exploit the opposition.

Hopefully we can be fluid in our style so that we can exploit our opponents weaknesses rather than playing a rigid style that soon gets found out or constantly worry about the opposition.

There's a time and a place for the Hurst way of playing, but it definitely won't be the main tactic under Artell.

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That makes a lot of sense. I think there are 3 approaches to playing:

Stop the opposition (Hurst)
Play a rigid way (Buckley)
Exploit the opposition.

Hopefully we can be fluid in our style so that we can exploit our opponents weaknesses rather than playing a rigid style that soon gets found out or constantly worry about the opposition.

There's a time and a place for the Hurst way of playing, but it definitely won't be the main tactic under Artell.

Will probably get shouted at for this but Holloway's initial approach was definitely about letting the opposition worry about you...we did concede but we also scored too..that first season was quite good to watch .....obviously Covid changed all that but that first spell he definitely put emphasis on that approach

Don't we have people (scouts) watching other teams for their strengths and WEAKNESSES. If we can't afford it their are plenty of videos and tv recordings available.

Regarding the investors, I got the impression at least two had “local” links. Any ideas who that could be?

one thing that surprised me was Andrew saying how few clubs at our level use data.
That reminded me that when we got 21st group on board JS  said only Plymouth (who were subsequently promoted) and us were their only clients in the lower leagues. So if it is used well, we should have a big advantage over everyone else

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one thing that surprised me was Andrew saying how few clubs at our level use data.
That reminded me that when we got 21st group on board JS  said only Plymouth (who were subsequently promoted) and us were their only clients in the lower leagues. So if it is used well, we should have a big advantage over everyone else

More and more evidence is pointing to the disaster of last season being down to Hurst's stubbornness and refusal to actually utilise the things put in place to help. There's no chance any data would have identified Rekeil Pyke as an undervalued superstar centre forward and you only need to watch him for 90 minutes in that position to know that he isn't very good there. Yet here we are, still stuck with him for another season unless someone is willing to take him off us.

For all the good Hurst has done in his second stint, he made a complete pig's ear of recruitment last summer.

All clubs use data, it just depends to what degree. Obviously, we're using a system and a network that others aren't, but that isn't to say no one else is looking at data in some form.

I think JS cleared up the data point, too — he said exactly what I'd been thinking, in that data only takes you so far. There are so many variables in football that data can never be the answer. But it can be the head start in identifying and creating value.

You could be the most talented manager in the world — academically, strategically — but if you're a terrible communicator then 90% of your talent (and the data) is wasted.

My question mark over Artell was just that. Clearly he's a bright man, intelligent, applies thinking from other sports, etc. I did wonder whether he was able to communicate his ideas to our players when we were getting spanked at home.

Think we've seen he's also humble and prepared to learn and adapt when things don't work, which is crucial. You don't get that from many managers in the game and maybe that's why JS was at pains to talk about it.

Think some of the comments about Hurst's style have been over simplified to a degree. We went to Wrexham and scored five, so I don't think he was as defensive or as negative as people think.

Particularly in his first spell, when we were in the NL and the onus was on us to win every game, we tended to do just that, and score plenty of goals along the way through the likes of Elding, Hearn, LJL, Bogle, Amond. We've had some prolific strikers here during his tenure, and McAtee wasn't half bad either. He also signed Rose.

Don't disagree that his tactics were often to contain and then counter. There was a lot more of that last season and the start of this. His time was up, no argument on that. Just suggest there's a bit of balance when we talk about him.

People love facts and data, and he delivered two promotions from the hardest league to get out of. Given our promotion record over the last 40 years, that ain't bad for a so-called 'negative, defensive' manager!

Yes it would be a mistake to over-simplify our assessment of Hurst. Yes he had his faults (stubbornness being one) and there's no doubt he'd run his course.

But there have indeed been games where we've ripped teams apart - Chesterfield away in that same promotion season being another example, where we spanked 4 superb goals past them before they hardly knew what the fukk was happening! Altincham away where Phil Parkinson couldn't believe how good we were.

I'm hoping Artell has learnt from his tactical errors and has a practical strategy going forward - without once again jeopardising our EFL status. With investors on board alongside Stockwood and Pettit, and a fair wind, we could be in for a real upturn next season. Here's hoping.

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Regarding the investors, I got the impression at least two had “local” links. Any ideas who that could be?

Apparently a local guy who owns an IT company, does a lot of business in China. Supposedly is putting a lot of money in.

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Apparently a local guy who owns an IT company, does a lot of business in China. Supposedly is putting a lot of money in.

Interesting, hopefully hear something soon - would be a huge positive to get more people involved. Not just from a money point of view, as Andrew and Jason have ploughed a lot in already, but just in terms of experience and someone else to maybe shoulder some responsibility with them. He definitely gave the indication it was more than one.

I suppose we're in the position now where we will be able to find out what Andrews understanding of the word 'soon' is...